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-brainer for boehner. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me the start tonight with this. somebody has got to break it to mr. boehner, your side lost. romney, remember him? he's the guy who ran on the rich man's platform. the hands off the big boys' ticket. he's the guy who said his fellow 2%ers have your backs. mr. boehner, ye of limited memory, the voters looked this issue directly in the eye, they heard your guy, romney, playing palace guard for the plutocrats, and they said i think i'll vote for the guy who is looking out for the middle class. i think i will let that guy go back to bain or whatever. time for mr. boehner to stop protecting the rich. it's result clear. it's winner right there in the white house trying to do what the people reelected him to do. joy reid is managing editor of the grio, and david corn is washington bureau chief for mother jones and the author of the ebook "47 percent." like the way i lowered my voice there? today the president took his tax pitch to a factory in the philly suburbs and he made clear the rich must pay their fair sha
. house speaker john boehner who has already offered to raise tax revenue finds himself not in a negotiation, but rather competing in the white house media campaign. this is how speaker boehner reacted earlier today to the demands of the white house that were laid out by timothy geithner in a closed-door meeting. the treasury secretary reiterating the president's call for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue and timothy geithner rrently offering nothing in return. in lieu of federal pending. >> first, despite the claims that the presint supports a balanced approach, democrats have yet to et serious about real spending cuts. secondly, no progress has been made in the talk between the white house and house over the last few weeks. this is not a game. lou: press secretary jay carney doesn't understand what speaker boehner sid. jay carney said the president is open tideas as long as those ideas include a tax hike on the top 2% of the nations taxpayers. jay carney making it clear today thathe president will not budge on this position. >> the president will not sign any legislatio
'donnell. >>> the president has returned from his trip. chris matthews and "hardball" is next. >>> a no-brainer for boehner. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me the start tonight with this. somebody has got to break it to mr. boehner, your side lost. romney, remember him? he's the guy who ran on the rich man's platform. the hands off the big boys' ticket. he's the guy who said his fellow 2%ers have your back. mr. boehner, ye of limited memory, the voters looked this issue directly in the eye, they heard your guy, romney, playing palace guard for the plutocrats, and they said i think i'll vote for the guy who is looking out for the middle class. i think i will let that guy go back to bain or whatever. time for mr. boehner to stop protecting the rich. joy reid is managing editor of the grio, and david corn is washington bureau chief for mother jones and the author of the ebook "47 percent." today the president took his pitch to a factory in the philadelphia suburbs, and he made clear the rich must pay their fair share. obama's job number one, a tax cut for the 98
sides stand right now. boehner's new plan would raise $2.2 trillion. now it would extend the bush tax cuts for everyone and yes that does include the top 2%. and it would instead raise $800 billion in revenue from so-called tax reform and that's what we mean when we talk about capping deductions and closing loopholes. the rest of the money comes from cuts to both mandatory and discretionary programs. now to recap again on the president's offer, he wants to raise $1.6 trillion, that's double boehner's amount on the rich an and he's asking for more than $200 billion in stimulus spending and promising about $400 billion worth of cuts to social programs. now obviously those two plans have very little in common. neither side is budging when it comes to their demands on taxes. but now here are a few problems with boehner's proposal. for one, he has yet to get specific on which deductions and loopholes he actually plans to get rid of. for another, he's trying to borrow from the simpson bowles agenda of raising revenue
that bashar al assad's regime has begun mixing sarin gas. >>> the speaker of the house, john boehner offered up his own plan to avoid the fiscal cliff today. does it add up? >>> and the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, susan rice comes under fire again. this time, it's over rwanda. let's go "outfront. >>> good evening, welcome, everyone. "outfront" tonight breaking news, president obama puts the syrian president on notice. the president is reacting to new evidence that assad's regime has started mixing chemicals to make deadly sarin gas, adding to its massive stockpile of chemical weapons. >> and today i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable. >> assad is on the edge of president obama's so-called red line against syria. the president said this summer that syria's use or movement of chemical weapons could mean u.s. intervention. so outfront tonight,
the president's deal on taxes. house speaker, john boehner, is not happy. >> hell, no, you can't. >> anti-tax crusader, grover norquist attacking the wives of republican congressman? >> i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years. >> tonight, lee saunders on the grassroots blast to pass the middle class tax cuts. >> small business owner, lou krantz, on his meeting with the president. congressman, steve israel, on the democratic momentum on the fiscal cliff. plus. >> karen finney on the new bizarre attack on ambassador, susan rice. >> all of the sudden, we are the bell of the ball. we are here to say, it's time to start to dance. >>> latino voters help put president obama over the top. now, the hispanic caucus says they want action. representative luis gutierrez joins me tonight. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. president obama is selling his economic agenda and using all the right tools. the president was surrounded today by middle class taxpayers at the white house as he pushed for an extension of the tax cuts for income below $250,0
. speaker john boehner meets this morning with house republicans who are angry at his new pitch to raise $800 billion in tax revenue in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins m
rates on the upper income folks to go up. >> within minutes, john boehner fired back the talks are on life support. >> let's not kid ourselves. >> boehner ripped the president for sending treasury secretary ti tim geithner to capitol hill with a proposal that led mitch mcconnell literally burst out laughing. >> the white house took three weeks to respond with any kind of proposal. and much to my disappointment, it wasn't a serious one. >> their beef is the president campaigned on $800 billion in tax increases by ending the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. but is now proposing double that. $1.6 trillion. by adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. plus, the white house wants $50 billion in new spending next term alone in long term deal about cutting spending. >> they want to have this extra spending greater than the amount they want to cut. not serious proposal. >> but the president may have the upper hand because the fiscal cliff talks allow him to back opposition to a corner, by framing this as the republicans raising taxes. >> if congress does nothing, every family in a
in the negotiations if there were negotiations. president obama and speaker john boehner actually talked to one another. it was on the telephone. it was not the face-to-face meeting the speaker says is necessary, but it was the first time that the two men have spoken in a week. for the latest on these stalled negotiations, we turn to fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry for the report. >> trying to lay blame for stalled budget talks on republicans, president obama today wratcheted up pressure on boehner. >> nobody wants this done more than me. >> for the first time, plan for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cliff warning business executives, the economy could take another hit if republicans decide to extend just to middle class tax cuts to avoid the cliff for now and come back next year with more leverage to tie spending cuts and medicare reform to another hike in the nation's debt ceiling. >> we're not going to play that game next year. if congress, in any way suggests they tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default again as part of
to visit the websites for john boehner or michele bachmann after the president's call to action, you just got a server to busy message. >>> last year, in the fall, the president went and did it again. the president went on a multi-state barn storming campaign style tour to push for the passage of his jobs bill. again, he asked the american people to get involved in that fight directly. he asked the american people to talk to congress. >>> i want you to call. i want you to e-mail. i want you to tweet. i want you to fax. i want you to visit. i want you to facebook, send a carrier pigeon. >> then, he did it again at the very end of last year, when the payroll tax cut was about to expire and the president was trying to get republicans to agree to extend it, the president again asked the american people, specifically, to sweet about what that tax rate meant to them. he asked them specifically to use the hash tag $40. >> we asked folks to tell us what would it be like to lose $40 out of your paycheck every week. i have to tell you that the response has been overwhelming. we haven't seen anythin
's absolutely right about that. but we heard early this evening that the president and speaker boehner did speak late today on the phone, so that's good news, but in this case, they need face time. they need to spend real time face to face. even democrats think the president needs to do more in person work on this. >> the president is not somebody who he's prioritizing evenings with his family instead of going down and having a bourbon on the rocks with some of the congressional folks. >> sometimes though, you need to do to bourbon like when the country needs you. bourbon, beer, wine, whatever, after a couple of drinks, the president and boehner could you know, pull a simpson. >> the lasso again, then the horse. the cowboys ride. the cowboys. >> that's the special beer that you would drink to get you to dance the gangnam style. president obama and john boehner did the gangnam style, your approval ratings might go up. "outfront" tonight, tom mcclintock of the budget committee. thank you for taking the time. we just showed a lot of your colleagues going home on a wednesday night after working a th
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rates are going to have to go up. >> house speaker john boehner appears to be struggling now that the president and democrats are negotiating for a position of power. talking points memo points out republicans are used to getting 70% to 75% of what they ask for in these types of negotiations but now speaker boehner is going on and on about how he's shocked and amazed at president's plan and is refusing to offer a counter plan on the republican side. you want to talk about this or anything else, join us online at current.com/stephaniemiller. we'll see you with more after the break. kind of guys who do like reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all of the time now. >> she gets the comedians laughing... >> that's hilarious! >> ...and the thinkers, thinking. >> okay, so there is wiggle-room in the ten commandments, is what you're telling me. >> she's joy behar. >> and the best part is that current will let me say anything. >> what the hell were they thinking? >> only on current tv. brought to you by geico. 15 minutes could s
of the conditioningal leadership which includes speaker john boehner, perhaps the most important player here. the meetings mark the beginning of the real negotiations. that doesn't mean the posturing stage is behind us. one capitol hill veteran, former fdic, sheila bair, a long-time staffer by the way who butted heads with geithner in the past, made this interesting observation to david gregory about tim geithner saying he's not the right guy for the white house to be sending in for these talks. >> do you think tim geithner, secretary geithner is the right person to lead the negotiations for the administration sf. >> i don't know. i don't think this is tim's strong suit. i think tim was given the job of treasury secretary because he understood the banking system. he's not a budget guy. he's not a tax guy. he's never really worked in this sphere. >> geithner is leading these talks for two reasons. he and the president are very close. they simply click. secondly, boehner likes him. that's why geithner is the front man here. that sometimes matter more than anything else. on wednesday, the presi
first up, harry reid. then john boehner. in the afternoon, mitch mcconnell and then nancy pelosi. we're expecting to hear from speaker boehner within the half hour following his meeting. we'll bring that to you. his remarks, though, coming on the heels of a politico report that the framework of a deal is beginning to emerge. the speaker and the president as its principal architects. both men expressing determination and cautious optimism yesterday. >> it's too important for washington to screw this up. now is the time for us to work on what we all agreed to, which is let's keep middle class taxes lower. >> time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has. but i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to overt this crisis. >> politico also reporting that the two men had a phone call yesterday that was, quote, curt. can these two men with a history of butting heads meet in the middle before america goes over the edge? >> we have a very, very reasonable chance of going over this cliff. every hour is ticking by, every day
>>> the news nation is following the exchange of fire. president obama and speaker john boehner are locked in a whatever words this afternoon one day after republicans rebuffed the president's first proposal to overt the so-called fiscal cliff. first up, the president. the president who traveled to a toy company in pennsylvania today to call on congress to extend tax cuts for the middle class. president obama playing a little hardball accusing republicans of playing politics at the expense of american families. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to for you republicans to hold tax cuts hostage because they don't want rates on upper folks to go up. >> john boehner scheduled a last minute news conference. fired back with this. >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy to put the american people back to work. it's the wrong approach. >> as the rhetoric heats up, the clock continues to tick down. after today, there are just ten legislative days on the calendar. the house announced they will be recess
boehner blasted the white house plan which was put forward last week. boehner says the president essentially wasted the last three weeks since the election with nonsense. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue over ten years, twice as much as he been asking for in public. stimulus spending that exceeded the amount of new cuts he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. >> reporter: and boehner says he was flabbergasted when he was given the proposal. >> heather: and democrats are defending themselves? >> treasury-secretary tim geithner on fox news defending the president's plan for raising revenues, cutting spending and reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the next ten years. he said the ball is in the g.o.p.'s court. >> you have heard them for the first time i think in two decades they are willing to have revenues go up to make a balanced plan but they have to tell you what they want do on rates and revenues. >> he says there is no plan to an agreement unless they acknowledge tax rates have to go up for the wealthiest americans. >> heathe
in the room when harry reid was talking about john boehner's brain, that they were really infused by the election. they referenced it so many times in talking about the priorities. specifics were kind of the word of the day. everybody saying the other side has to give specifics. this morning republicans are saying don't expect any public counteroffer after what the president's team presented here, one of their big concerns is the $1.6 trillion in tax revenue over ten years. they say that's about twice where republicans think they might be able to get a deal and for them that was not a good starting point. >> kelly, can i quickly ask you why we should not expect a counteroffer interest republicans? isn't that what this whole game is about? >> reporter: public. if i didn't say public, let me emphasize. >> you did. >> reporter: we heard about the president's offer and what republicans are also saying they are trying hard to not criticize the president publicly, focus on the specifics of the deal. there are concerns about that, not wanting to spoil the move further. at least that's th
-down with the speaker of the house, john boehner, mr. speaker boehner came out and told reporter that is the treasury secretary offered no new substantive plan and would not address the issue of spending cuts at all. as we reported on this show yesterday, it is no longer clear that the white house even wants spending cuts in this initial deal. it wants solely tax hikes, or at least that's all that it's been talking about x that now -- that dichotomy -- is becoming a big issue. here's the speaker. >> two weeks ago we had a very productive conversation at the white house. but based on where we stand today, i would say two things. first, despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. megyn: well, meantime, senate majority leader harry reid argues he is still waiting for a reasonable proposal from republicans. this all comes after a leading voice on debt taxes and spending warned about the cost of n
disappointment, it wasn't a serious one. >>shepard: speaker boehner referred to meetings with the treasury secretary geithner. republicans called plan he layed out a step backwards, so much that top senate republican were mcconnell burst into laugh laughing western he heard it. people on the left, even, a lot of people on the left, said, man, this was heavy handed. he is asking for a lot. >>reporter: he is. if you look at the tax side, the president campaigned on raising taxes but high talked about raising them to the tune of $800 billion. instead, what was put on the table is double that, $1.6 trillion in new tax increases. the president, though, out there upsetting republicans because he is outcampaigning again and he said i missed being out here on the trail. so rather than negotiating with republicans he was on the road in pennsylvania and saying i ran on this in terms of raising taxes. it is time to collect. >> at the end of the day, a clear majority of americans, democrats, republicans, independents, agreed with a balanced approach to gift reduction and making sure the middle class t
tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the bottom line is the president and speaker boehner have not spoken now in several days. so there is really no signs of progress. there has been some discussion that look that's just happening in public. behind closed doors maybe they are gaining some ground, i have spoken to some top white house officials tonight some top republicans on the hill they say in private they are not making progress either, shep. >> shepard: republicans say they have offered some compromises. >> they have in the sense that speaker boehner with his policy late yesterday put $100 billion in new tax revenue on the table. that was a concession by him but not far enough as you noted for the white house because the white house wants him to not just raise tax revenue by limiting intuctions and loopholes and the like. they want to see tax rates go up but republic lea
. treasury secretary timothy geithner met with house speaker john boehner and laid out a detailed list from president obama that includes $1.6 trillion in tax increase over ten years. more stimulus spending to boost the economy including home mortgage refinancing and the permanent end to congressional control over the debt ceiling. in return, president obama is offering republicans $400 billion in entitlement cuts over ten years. still to be negotiated. mr. obama also wants emergency unemployment benefits and a temporary payroll tax holiday extended along with the infrastructure spending and mortgage relief, the price tag for the president's stimulus bill could rise to $50 billion or more. after meeting with secretary geithner, speaker boehner said he didn't see any sign of compromise from the white house. >> first despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the w
republican front man house speaker john boehner is sending the white house a message that the president's no more mr. nice guy approach is the wrong approach. >> i think they won the election, must have foregotten republicans continue told the majority in house to. but, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> top republicans used words like stalemate and nowhere to go describe the current state of play. others within their party are taking it one step further telling americans they should be prepared for the punch. >> i thank the president and tim geithner for re-energizing the republican caucus. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. >> with both sides looking like they are dig in but cementing in and the calendar page ticking down what does it take to play let's make a deal. >> let's see how big yours is versus mine in the earnings of their plans. >> everybody should just go to sleep, wake up on december 14th when there's about a wee
speaker john boehner's response, no way. they are, he said, at stalemate. >> the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little -- not even $400 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. gwen: both ends say americans voted for growth and responsibility during the last election, but each apparently is read looking the same message differently. what a surprise. so how much of the policy is about standoff and how much is about politics? >> it's a little bit of each. but i would have to say right now it's a lot about politics and it's a lot about political theater. you just showed these guys. ok, so they have given their opening round. we all know where they stand. this is for the base of their parties now, which the president, of course, has been meeting with his liberal base, republicans have been meeting with conservatives who say do
speaker of the house john boehner said, let's not kid ourselves there's a stalemate. >> i think we're going to get there. i mean, just inevitably a little bit of political theater. sometimes that's a sign of progress. i think we're making some progress, but we're still some distance apart. what's at stake here is very important. we're trying not just to prevent a tax increase on 98% of americans, we're trying to go beyond that's going to be good for the long term american economy. >> but you said you're getting closer, they're saying you're getting much farther apart. they say that this is not a serious proposal. >> we have a very good plan. we have a very good mix of tax reforms that raise a modest amount of revenues on the wealthy 2% of americans. combined with very comprehensive, very detailed savings that get us back to the point where the debt is stable and favorable. if we can do that carefully, we can invest in things to make america stronger. we can rebuild infrastructure. we think those are good investments in america and we think we can afford them. >> let's look at an ou
our economy. >> reporter: republicans led by house speaker john boehner says he should quit campaigning and take care of the business at hand. republicans say they are willing to consider raising more revenue but they want to see spending cuts to go along with it. >> we need to hear they are willing to make spending cuts now, not promises of spending cuts sometime if the future. to me the tidal waves that are coming at us is social security and medicare and the new health care law. >> reporter: now house democratic leader nancy pelosi is calling the speakers to bring the tax to the floor by tuesday or she will try to force a vote. boehner is not likely to buckle under pressure so it seems like a standoff. >> gregg: sfuaf. what a surprise? they want to resolve this fiscal crisis or lack in his real compromise. john boehner is leading an attack on the lack of progress. >> there is a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. it was not a serious proposal. so right now we're almost nowhere. >> gregg: almost nowhere. how about that? staff writer for roll call joins us live. the preside
cliff, neither boehner nor geithner can say for certain that the country will not go over the edge. i'm shannon bream. america's news headquarters live from the nation's capital starts right now. >> shannon: we want to get to the budget standoff. peter doocy joins us live. there is time to strike a deal but not a lot. >> reporter: that's right. the speaker of the house john boehner made a point today to say there is not much time between election day and the end of the year. he thinks the white house has already wasted weeks because he does not think the proposal to avoid a fiscal cliff is serious one. negotiations here are nowhere. another republican, senator lindsey graham thinks he thinks things are heading down hill. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it's clear to me they made a political calculation. the offer doesn't deal with the entitlement reform to save the medicare and medicaid and social security from imminent bankruptcy. it raises $1.6 trillion on job creators to destroy the economy. no spending controls. >> reporter: treasuresy secretary tim geithner advocated for
without bearing gifts. the specific list of spending cuts that spiker boehner wanted geithner to bring, leading the republicans to declare talks are going nowhere. >> i'm disappointed in where we are. and disappointed in what has happened over the last several weeks. i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. i would hope the white house could get serious as well. >> key driver of that anger is the fact that yesterday the president flatly declared while he wants tax changes now, spending cuts can wait. >> it would give us more time than next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down the deficits. >> white house spokesman jay carney broke new ground declaring today the president does want spending cuts, listed in his budget plan to be included in the fiscal cliff talks. >> hold up the budget and say democrats on capitol hill vote for including the spending cuts in this deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. that is not what they are doing now. should they include those? >> yes. i think that, and i know that democrats accept that this has to be it, a balanced package, that inclu
just about 40% of the taxes in this country. what percent does the president want? boehner needs to stand up and say everything is on the table. taxes, entitlements, you name it, we're ready to talk. >> you would begin with the tax situation, right? i would begin with the spending but you are smarter than me. >> so you say to mr. obama, all right, we're willing to compromise here if it's reasonable. all right? how much more do you want to squeeze out of the upper 2%? and he says probably, i want to go back to the rate clinton had 39.5 and i want to raise capital gains to 25%. do you, lou dobbs, give him that if there is something else that he has to give? >> i certainly would not give him that without conditions. >> bill: but you would think about it it? >> absolutely. that's what i'm saying. the dobbs plan says that reasonable, reasonable, what does that mean? that a little bit of tax hike on the wealthy, and wouldn't be a little bit. what is it estimated to be about something like a billion a year. >> $82 billion. >> bill: a year? >> per year. >> bill: that's still not -- all r
does make. thank you both, marjorie clifton, angela mcglowan. >> thank you. jenna: speaker boehner talking about this morning so far, met with treasury secretary tim geithner, all of this having to do with the fiscal crisis and what would happen. what will become of these negotiations between republicans and democrats. we'll take a listen to the speaker a little bit here before we go to break. you can watch the entire remarks by the way on foxnews.com. let's take a listen. >> -- and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts an entitlement reforms it will be impossible to address our country's debt ace crisis and get our economy growing again and create jobs. right now all eyes are on the white house. our country doesn't need a victory lap, it needs leadership. it is time for the president, congressional democrats, to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i will take a few questions. >> speaker boehner, why would you not tell democrats what spending cuts you would like to see -- [inaudible] >> it has bee
boehner said this morning. here it is. >> right now, i would say we're nowhere. peri period. we're nowhere. we have put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up to try to get this question resolved, but the white house has responded with nothing. they have asked for more revenue than they have been asking for the whole time. >> is that a serious offer if it's just talk that they are willing to raise revenues, and if those revenues aren't tax hikes on the top 2% that the president is call iing for? >> it depends on the starleting point versus the end point. for republicans, the issue they are dealing with is they are going to face blame and internal problems no matter what happens. so for them, if they get an offer from the president that they can at least sell as including significant spending cuts or entitlement reform, that when they agree to allow the tax rates go up, they will be grumbling in the party, but there have things we have been asking for and we got that. if way they don't get a deal that looks like that, then they will walk, but they figure that tloost they will h
over. bill: reports that talks are stalled, dead in the water. house speaker john boehner says he's flabbergasted by the white house offer. >> this isn't about democrats and republicans. this business our country. we need to get serious about our deficit and debt that are burying our children's future. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it mahelp lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just he to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. martha: we have brand-new details on the deadly bus crash that happened in florida. police say the bus driver was confused and lost when he chose the wrong route coming out of miami airport. the top of the bus crumpled after the crash and killed two passengers. it had 32 jehovah's church members on board, they were heading to a conference. bill: if you wash watching "fox news sunday" john boehner described his reaction when the president presented
criticized john boehner. john boehner should not be concerned about losing his job. he should be concerned about doing his job. his job is that of the american people. i do not want to get caught up in the sound bites. at least bring some kind of leverage, some kind of balance to this crisis. host: "in new york times" this morning -- guest: what does he have to negotiate? there are three options. you could allow the tax cuts to expire december 31. you can cancel some or all of the tax increases and spending. that would accelerate a dive back into a great recession or depression. in the first quarter, we would have very little difficulty in distinguishing ourselves from the crisis that is in gulf and europe and especially greece. the other thing we could do is come to a midline course of action where you could actually -- what can you minimally due to cut spending? what can you minimally due to have shared sacrifice so everyone is sacrificing something in this game? the other thing we don't talk about -- the interest rates on the deficit have been the lowest in 200 years. if we went back to
on with speaker boehner? he went off his own cliff today. we'll tell you why he's ready to hold the economy hostage again. >>> and what's really behind john mccain's relentless and baseless attack on susan rice? former governor of new mexico and ambassador to the u.n., bill richardson, joins us live. >>> plus, remember this guy with the romney tattoo? he might just be the smartest man in the republican party today. >>> and we'll tell you what joe biden bought at costco today. you'll love this video. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. >>> this is interesting. president obama is going to have lunch with mitt romney and you thought you had an awkward meal with your family on thanks giving. what i don't get is he said nobody should get a free lunch and now he's going to the white house to have a free lunch. [ male announcer ] with 160 more miles per tank, the distances aren't getting shorter. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the new 2013 ram 1500. ♪ with the best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ guts. glory. ram. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] while you're
boehner did speak late today on the phone. that's good news. but in this case, we think we need facetime. they need to sit down face to face, pound it out, face to face breeds trust. even the democrats think the president needs to do a little more in-person work on this. >> the president is not somebody who -- he's prioritizing spending evenings with his family instead of going down and having a bourbon on the rocks with some of the congressional folks. >> sometimes, though, you need to do the bourbon. like when the country needs you. bourbon, beer, wine, whatever, after a couple drinks the president and boehner could, you know, pull a simpson. >> the lasso again and then the horseback. horse, horse, the cowboys ride, the cowboys ride. >> i mean, what is it? that's the special beer you would drink to get you to dance the gangnam style. if you did the gangnam style, your approval ratings might go up. out front, bob mcclintock, sir, appreciate you taking time. you're still in the capitol. we showed your colleagues going home on a wednesday night after working a three-day week. obviously, t
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